Voting : several important issues

1/ Do you want to change the name of ETC ?
Vote options are :
a/Yes
b/No

2/If the name of ETC was to change, what name do you want for the future of ETC :
Vote options are :
a/ WTC
b/ ETC Open
c/ The Wargamer ETC

3/ Shall we allow ETC host organiser to make a profit, turning from the former non profit principle in the last charter ?
Vote option are :
a/Yes
b/No

4/ Shall entry fee be collected by a central part of the ETC organisation ? This would enable a better control how player money is spent, control the potential host organiser profit, and build up a treasury that can be used year to year as insurance and backup to sustain ETC over the years or developp specific projects (like ETC terrain stock).
Vote option are :
a/Yes
b/No

5/ As you've seen form the recent host org bid, the growth of the event seems to naturally lead to some form of separation of events, at least some years. Allowing bids for separate game systems would allow the event to travel more and easier, while at the same time not preventing combined events when a country presents a seriously attractive bid. The next two questions are meant to dig into those options in evaluating the future host potential of this option.

Do you think your nation would ever host the combined event in the next 3 years?
vote options are :
a/Yes
b/No

6/ Do you think your nation would ever host a split event? (a split event could be for example: hosting WFB only. Another example : hosting 40k & FoW).
vote options are :
a/Yes
b/No

7/ Shall we include FoW in ETC charter status ?
vote options are :
a/Yes
b/No

8/ Shall we open ETC charter to future game systems inclusions ?
vote options are :
a/Yes
b/No

9/ Shall we enter in the charter that the event must be held over the course of three days ?
vote options are :
a/Yes
b/No

Here's my opinion about those issues:

1) no! The name ETC has become way to popular and significant to suffer any change.

2) ETC Open (WTC sounds like 11th september and Wargamer sounds too geeky)

3) NO ! although small remuneration off account is possible for the organizer, I don't want people to organize it for a profit as long as we find bids willing to organise it. The ETC might be organized as an association, but then all profit MUST be invest again. No other way imho.

4) mmmh my first idea was to say no, because it seems too difficult to organize. But if the money is centrally collected and a comitee pays the venue and other costs to the organizers, and let them organize food and drinks at a possible profit. Why not, but not this year

5) no, we already organized and I would possibly do it again only if that was WHB only

6) yes

7) no ! ETC is about warhammer, punkt schluss. I dont see any problems having organizers including FOW. But this should never be mandatory imho

We're already too big, please. Otherwise no opportunity for small countries to organize it

9) No, give the organizer the possibility to have the two days possibility, if it's clearly indicated in their bid that they can't do otherwise.


What do you think? This vote is not certain to be continued, but I would like to have your opinion anyway about those issues

1) NO
Way too much of a brand name

2) ETC OPEN
This is closest to the original so an obvious choice.

3) YES
BUT ONLY on the condition that this organizer is the ETC central organisation under point 4!

4) YES
Imo this is the most secure way, that profitmaking will not be a goal of the organizing team, as any profit is staying in the ETC organisation and will help the future development. Furthermore there are several advantages for setting up such an organisation imo especially when it comes to fundraising, public money aid and probably negotiating.

5) NO
We just had it.

6) YES
As we already have made it possible, why should it not be an option for the future (when the CHF is a bit weaker probably)

7) NO
I supect the controlling body and ETC chairmen will just have too much on their table to be able to cope with all the work.

8 ) NO
See 7

9) NO
Options are always better then mandatory rules

Ok guys I answered all the questions with explanation but it didn't work so I m pissed therefore I will just answer the question without explanations ^^
1/NO
2/ ETC Open
3/ Yes see buchi
4/ Yes see buchi
5/ NO, not in the next 3 years, maybe 5
6/Yes
7/Maybe see Xavier
8/ No see point 7
9/No see buchi

see ya

Xavier, please remember that voting cloes today at midnight.

I know, I know

I first have to say that I'm captain on the warhammer.uk.org, because in the facts Arnaud is still our official captain to the eyes of the others.

do you need that I correct It xav?

I made an announcement on the forum, should be alright

But missed to post our vote though.

Holy crap !

Maybe you should be captain to the eyes of the warhammer forum Buchi ^^

Thanks, but no thanks.

Am still chewing on my last - let´s call it politely "tournament experience".
And after the 40k community of Greece has beaten the sh*t out of the Greece bid from the WHFB guys, it seems that now only Germany and Serbia are likely contestants for the 2013 ETC destination, where I would assume that Serbia will win the vote. Hence, me not going anyway.

Official vote on wether to include FOW is up now. Deadline is 20th of Nov.

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Let's vote yes for FOW!

Majority of swiss players that voted so far say - NO (as the the conditions are not met). See above....

I'm personnally fully against the inclusion of FoW in the charter of the ETC.
ETC is about Warhammer and should remain so.

I think this should be let to the organizers to decide if they want to include FoW or not. Putting it in the charter will force that on them and may put aside potential organizers that don't have the logistic to organize such a big event. That's also the open doors to games like Warmachines or Hordes, how can we say no to one and yes to another?

Plus, and that's a very important point to my eyes, is that a FoW event is extremely expensive (I mean, the table standards are 10x higher than with WHB) I got a little bit fed up of reading comments from FoW players on the two bids thread asking if the organizers could ensure 100 tables with "diorama standards"

I don't want Warhammer players to pay for the new arrivers and their fancy tables.

At least, give a separate budget to FoW that they have to pay themselves.