Empire

Unnamed2400 Pts - Empire Army

1 Arch Lector of Sigmar @ 320.0 Pts
General; Prayers of Sigmar
Van Horstman's Speculum [30.0]
Armour of Meteoric Iron [25.0]
Dawn Stone [25.0]
Sword of Might [15.0]
1 War Altar @ [0.0] Pts
2 Warhorse @ [0.0] Pts

1 Grey Guardian @ 280.0 Pts
Magic Level 4; Lore of Shadow
Obsidian Lodestone [45.0]
Earthing Rod [25.0]

1 Grey Guardian @ 110.0 Pts
Magic Level 1; Lore of Shadow
Seal of Destruction [45.0]

1 Captain @ 93.0 Pts
Full Plate Armor; Battle Standard
Banner of the Eternal Flame [10.0]

1 Warrior Priest of Sigmar @ 98.0 Pts
Prayers of Sigmar; Great Weapon; Heavy Armour

1 Master Engineer @ 65.0 Pts

29 Free Company @ 170.0 Pts
2ndWeapon; Standard; Musician
1 Sergeant @ [8.0] Pts

24 Flagellant Warbands @ 260.0 Pts
Frenzy; Flail
1 Prophet of Doom @ [10.0] Pts

28 Crossbowmen @ 279.0 Pts
Crossbow; Musician
5 Detachment - Free Company @ [25.0] Pts
2ndWeapon
5 Detachment - Free Company @ [25.0] Pts
2ndWeapon

1 Great Cannon @ 100.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Great Cannon @ 100.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Mortar @ 75.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Mortar @ 75.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Helstorm Rocket Battery @ 115.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

24 Flagellant Warbands @ 260.0 Pts
Frenzy; Flail
1 Prophet of Doom @ [10.0] Pts

Additional Casting Dice: 0

Additional Dispel Dice: 3

Models in Army: 145


Total Army Cost: 2400.0

Just to understand the reasoning - why do you leave out the steam tank for a second unit of Flagelants and a great cannon?
The Stank has the cannon as well, but is much more stable than the Flagelants and there is still a surplus of 70 points taking the Stank that can go into more Flagelants or into security for the BSB instead of the Banner.

In 8 edition there are a lot of things that force you to pass an initiative test (a lot of players chose lore of shadows) and for empire it's just too much.


Steam tank it's easy too lose, flagellants are more solid and with lore of shadows can also be more powerfull.

Not sure what you would call a lot of things

Spellwise against Empire you have to get irresistable force to get it through, while there is still the seal of destruction and most of the initiative spells still scatter and they all cannot be cast into combat except vs skavenslaves.

In the shooting phase there is only the brass orb that I know of and Skaven is not an ideal matchup for empire anyways.

But allas, it is only an opinion.

Lore of shadows:

High Elves
Dark Elves
Chaos (not all)
Empire


Lore of death:

Lizardmen
Beastmen (not all)



Skaven: Orb

Tomb Kings: Stalkers (but their aren't a big problem, I tested them...)







After there is obviously the problem that, even if it charges the opponent just need 5 models to be stubborn. But you use SteamTank as stopper not to do points so this is not a big problem




strong against:

vampires (without wraiths)
deamons (depend on lore and on Great Deamon)
Chaos without shadows (lore of tzeentch is not a problem)




but maybe with the Tank is better to play also lore of life, even if i don't like it (but a level2 can do what you need)

Unnamed2400 Pts - Empire Army

1 Arch Lector of Sigmar @ 320.0 Pts
General; Prayers of Sigmar
Van Horstman's Speculum [30.0]
Armour of Meteoric Iron [25.0]
Dawn Stone [25.0]
Sword of Might [15.0]
1 War Altar @ [0.0] Pts
2 Warhorse @ [0.0] Pts

1 Grey Guardian @ 280.0 Pts
Magic Level 4; Lore of Shadow
Earthing Rod [25.0]
Obsidian Lodestone [45.0]

1 Captain @ 93.0 Pts
Full Plate Armor; Battle Standard
Banner of the Eternal Flame [10.0]

1 Master Engineer @ 65.0 Pts

1 Battle Wizard of the Jade Order @ 145.0 Pts
Magic Level 2; Lore of Life
Seal of Destruction [45.0]

28 Free Company @ 157.0 Pts
2ndWeapon; Musician
1 Sergeant @ [8.0] Pts

24 Crossbowmen @ 235.0 Pts
Crossbow; Musician
1 Marksman @ [5.0] Pts
5 Detachment - Free Company @ [25.0] Pts
2ndWeapon

19 Crossbowmen @ 195.0 Pts
Crossbow; Musician
1 Marksman @ [5.0] Pts
5 Detachment - Free Company @ [25.0] Pts
2ndWeapon

24 Flagellant Warbands @ 260.0 Pts
Frenzy; Flail
1 Prophet of Doom @ [10.0] Pts

1 Great Cannon @ 100.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Great Cannon @ 100.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Mortar @ 75.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Mortar @ 75.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Steam Tank @ 300.0 Pts
Building Steam Points (Tank); Main Cannon (Tank); Steam Gun (Tank)
1 Commander @ [0.0] Pts
Repeater Pistol

Additional Casting Dice: 0

Additional Dispel Dice: 2

Models in Army: 132


Total Army Cost: 2400.0




this is the list with the SteamTank

Hey Everyone

First of all I agree not to play Steam tank. If you want to stop somethings it's a bette idea to play Flaggelants : they can do exactly de same things as SteamTank and your not afraid to play against the Lore of Shadow. In the scall of points loosing 300pts is not a very good idea.

I'm not such if it's also a good idea to play the war altar : ok you give your command in a large rang (which is an important point with empire), but "nowadays" the war altar is not so useful. I mine you can not stop anything, everyone will refuse challenge and you will have to survive to a huge number of attack... and this every round...
So pay 100pts to have you general on a large target...

And I a afraid of one thing : in which units do you put your characters? I mine there is no units in which you can easily put your characters without being afraid to be charge by every units in the table ^^ So maybe we could try to play a unit of swords men....

And what do you think to play to time the Lore of Shadow?? ^^

post what you would like to play, and remember that you will take difficult matches where you don't have to give too many points....




what do you mean with "play two times lore of shadow" ? you remember that you cannot have the same spell twice right? maybe you mean to play a little wizard to chose spells that you don't want to have on the big one (as I did in the first list even if he's just a level1)

Exactly ;-)

I will post a list as soon as possible

Unnamed2400 Pts - Empire Army

1 Arch Lector of Sigmar @ 220.0 Pts
General; Prayers of Sigmar
Van Horstman's Speculum [30.0]
Armour of Meteoric Iron [25.0]
Dawn Stone [25.0]
Sword of Might [15.0]

1 Grey Guardian @ 305.0 Pts
Magic Level 4; Lore of Shadow
Obsidian Lodestone [45.0]
Earthing Rod [25.0]
Ruby Ring of Ruin [25.0]

1 Captain @ 93.0 Pts
Full Plate Armor; Battle Standard
Banner of the Eternal Flame [10.0]

1 Battle Wizard of the Bright Order @ 110.0 Pts
Magic Level 1; Lore of Fire
Seal of Destruction [45.0]

1 Master Engineer @ 65.0 Pts

31 Free Company @ 159.0 Pts
2ndWeapon; Musician

24 Flagellant Warbands (Core) @ 260.0 Pts
Frenzy; Flail
1 Prophet of Doom @ [10.0] Pts

22 Crossbowmen @ 181.0 Pts
Crossbow; Musician

19 Greatswords @ 310.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Full Plate Armor; Standard; Musician
1 Count's Champion @ [12.0] Pts
5 Detachment - Archer @ [40.0] Pts
Normal Bow
5 Detachment - Archer @ [40.0] Pts
Normal Bow

1 Great Cannon @ 100.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Great Cannon @ 100.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Mortar @ 75.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Mortar @ 75.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

21 Flagellant Warbands @ 230.0 Pts
Frenzy; Flail
1 Prophet of Doom @ [10.0] Pts

1 Helstorm Rocket Battery @ 115.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

Additional Casting Dice: 0

Additional Dispel Dice: 2

Models in Army: 155


Total Army Cost: 2398.0





i think that only lore of death is a problem for this list




characters can stay on crossbows. if you play well (you have 3 units that will almost never flee or be completely destroyed) anyone will charge them...






but this is just my suggestion, i wait yours

I like this one !!!

I would prefer to have 2 units of crossbowmen but it's better by 22 ^^

Juste a question, because I never play it, how would you play the 31 free company?

it's a unit with 6 ranks that can be stubborn against a lot of ennemies. and if u can cast Occam they make also 15 atks str7 that can hurts


a big unit of crossbows have a lot of advantages:

-more difficult to lose points
-you can use them as a combat unit with 4 ranks (and can stay stubborn)
-easier to wound beasts like Abomination and Hydre (you can have flaming atks with the banner on all 22, impossible to do with 2 units)

Final List.

Antoine Refondini - 2400 Pts - Empire Army

1 Arch Lector of Sigmar @ 220.0 Pts
General; Prayers of Sigmar
Van Horstman's Speculum [30.0]
Armour of Meteoric Iron [25.0]
Dawn Stone [25.0]
Sword of Might [15.0]

1 Grey Guardian @ 305.0 Pts
Magic Level 4; Lore of Shadow
Earthing Rod [25.0]
Obsidian Lodestone [45.0]
Ruby Ring of Ruin [25.0]

1 Captain @ 93.0 Pts
Full Plate Armor; Battle Standard
Banner of the Eternal Flame [10.0]

1 Battle Wizard of the Bright Order @ 110.0 Pts
Magic Level 1; Lore of Fire
Seal of Destruction [45.0]

1 Master Engineer @ 65.0 Pts

31 Free Company @ 159.0 Pts
2ndWeapon; Musician

24 Flagellant Warbands (Core) @ 260.0 Pts
Frenzy; Flail
1 Prophet of Doom @ [10.0] Pts

22 Crossbowmen @ 181.0 Pts
Crossbow; Musician

19 Greatswords @ 310.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Full Plate Armor; Standard; Musician
1 Count's Champion @ [12.0] Pts
5 Detachment - Archer @ [40.0] Pts
Normal Bow
5 Detachment - Archer @ [40.0] Pts
Normal Bow

1 Great Cannon @ 100.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Great Cannon @ 100.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Mortar @ 75.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

1 Mortar @ 75.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts

21 Flagellant Warbands @ 230.0 Pts
Frenzy; Flail
1 Prophet of Doom @ [10.0] Pts

1 Helstorm Rocket Battery @ 115.0 Pts
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts



Additional Casting Dice: 0

Additional Dispel Dice: 2

Models in Army: 155


Total Army Cost: 2398.0

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