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Post  2dipicche on Sun 5 Jun - 20:37

Unnamed Dwarfs Army

1 Runelord @ 440.0 Pts
Anvil of Doom; General; Gromril Armour
Runic Talisman [125.0]
Master Rune of Balance
Rune of Spellbreaking
Spelleater Rune
1 Anvil of Doom @ [175.0] Pts
#Rune of Oath & Honour [0.0]
#Rune of Hearth & Hold [0.0]
#Rune of Wrath & Ruin [0.0]
2 Anvil Guards @ [0.0] Pts
Gromril Armour; Shield

1 Thane @ 160.0 Pts
Gromril Armour; Battle Standard
Runic Talisman [45.0]
Master Rune of Challenge
Rune of Brotherhood
Runic Armour [25.0]
Master Rune of Gromril

1 Master Engineer @ 70.0 Pts
Gromril Armour

29 Rangers @ 355.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Rangers; Heavy Armour; Standard; Musician
1 Veteran @ [10.0] Pts

15 Quarrellers @ 170.0 Pts
Crossbow; Light Armour; Musician

10 Quarrellers @ 115.0 Pts
Crossbow; Light Armour; Musician

10 Quarrellers @ 115.0 Pts
Crossbow; Light Armour; Musician

24 Miners @ 325.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Heavy Armour; Standard; Musician
1 Prospector @ [35.0] Pts
Steamdrill

1 Grudge Thrower @ 170.0 Pts
Engineer
Engineering Runes [75.0]
Rune of Accuracy
Rune of Penetrating (x2)
1 Engineer @ [15.0] Pts
Light Armour
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts
Light Armour

1 Grudge Thrower @ 150.0 Pts
Engineer
Engineering Runes [55.0]
Rune of Accuracy
Rune of Burning
Rune of Penetrating
1 Engineer @ [15.0] Pts
Light Armour
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts
Light Armour

1 Cannon @ 110.0 Pts
Engineer
Engineering Runes [5.0]
Rune of Burning
1 Engineer @ [15.0] Pts
Light Armour
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts
Light Armour

1 Cannon @ 105.0 Pts
Engineer
1 Engineer @ [15.0] Pts
Light Armour
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts
Light Armour

1 Troll Slayers @ 115.0 Pts
4 Giant Slayer @ [104.0] Pts

Additional Dispel Dice: 3

Additional Casting Dice: 0

Models in Army: 120


Total Army Cost: 2400.0
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Post  David "Phar" Schreyer on Mon 20 Jun - 6:58

Dear Members.

I thougt to play something about that:

1 Kommandant: 291 Pkt. 12.1%
2 Helden: 300 Pkt. 12.5%
2 Kerneinheiten: 850 Pkt. 35.4%
5 Eliteeinheiten: 1030 Pkt. 42.9%
0 Seltene Einheit

*************** 1 Kommandant ***************
König 145 Punkte, General kostenlos, Zweihandwaffe 6 Pkt., Schildträger 25 Pkt.
+ 1 x onls S5 against him 50 Pkt., 1 x repeat armour save 25 Pkt., 1 x immun to killing blow 15 Pkt., 1 x Rune of challange 25 Pkt. -> 115 Pkt.
- - - > 291 Punkte

- he has a 2+ reapetable armour save, wich is at max a 4+ (only S5 allowed) and is immune to killing blow, poison, ->massive blocker
Opponant with comnat skill 7 need 48 Attacks to kill him (in average)
- rune of challange to take one enemy unit/caracter out if i couldn't kill him
- but i am unsure if that sort of blocker is needed (maybe against vampires, Dark elves, deamons, dragons, beastmen)

*************** 2 Helden ***************
Thain 65 Punkte
+ 1 x +1Strengh 20 Pkt., 1 x Fire attakcks 5 Pkt., 1 x 1+ armout save 25 Pkt., 1 x immun to killing blow 15 Pkt. -> 65 Pkt.
+ BSB 25 Pkt. -> 25 Pkt.
- - - > 155 Punkte

- i gave fire attacks becase i think its not that bad to have 1 char with fire attacks in CC.
- also possible would be a magic BSB wich give 5+ ward save all units in 6" against magic and shooting (could be nice in shoout-out)
- or i could make him to a better blocker with repeating armour save (but then no flaming attakcs too)

Runenschmied 70 Punkte
+ 1 x destroy a spell at 4+ and dispelscroll 50 Pkt., 1 x despelscroll 25 Pkt. -> 75 Pkt.
- - - > 145 Punkte

- other ideas?
- only 2 dispel scrolls are allwed, right?

*************** 2 Kerneinheiten ***************
40 Klankrieger 320 Pkt., Zweihandwaffen 80 Pkt., Musiker 5 Pkt., Standartenträger 10 Pkt., Champion 10 Pkt.
- - - > 425 Punkte

- i could change one unit aganist crossbowmen, i have to test that. last tournament i had 40 crossbowmen instead of theese
but here i could only play 32 with great waepon, or 35 shield.

40 Klankrieger 320 Pkt., Zweihandwaffen 80 Pkt., Musiker 5 Pkt., Standartenträger 10 Pkt., Champion 10 Pkt.
- - - > 425 Punkte

*************** 5 Eliteeinheiten ***************
35 Hammerträger 420 Pkt., Musiker 6 Pkt., Standartenträger 12 Pkt., Champion 12 Pkt.
- - - > 450 Punkte

Grollschleuder 80 Punkte, Maschinist 15 Pkt.
+ 1 x repeat dice 25 Pkt., 1 x +1 Strength 25 Pkt., 1 x fire 5 Pkt. -> 55 Pkt.
- - - > 150 Punkte

Grollschleuder 80 Punkte, Maschinist 15 Pkt.
+ 1 x repeat dice 25 Pkt., 1 x +1 Strength 25 Pkt. -> 50 Pkt.
- - - > 145 Punkte

Kanone 90 Punkte, Maschinist 15 Pkt.
+ 1 x repeat dice 35 Pkt., 1 x fire 5 Pkt. -> 40 Pkt.
- - - > 145 Punkte

Kanone 90 Punkte, Maschinist 15 Pkt.
+ 1 x repeat dice 35 Pkt. -> 35 Pkt.
- - - > 140 Punkte


Gesamtpunkte Zwerge : 2471

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With this list the opponent has problem to get points, because of the big units.
1 had one test tournament with a equal dwarfes list wich went quite ok. (3wins on 3 games)
Mass armies like High elves infantry i can get in CC.
Armies with big targets i can shoot down.



1. I like to play the Warriors in Hordes with Great Wapons. 30 attacks S5, toughness and combat skill 4.

2. I habe 71 points to much, i am not sure what i schould kick out.
- 1 cannon
- make the units smaller (i dont like)
- change the king into a thain (possible, only disadvantege i dont have a good blocker caracter then)
- kick out the hammerers (but i like these guys)

3. change a unit of 40 Warriors on 32 Crossbows with Great weapon, or 35 with shield.

4. change the lord to an anvil of doom. only problem ist that there are many spells/ items wich can kill automaticly this machine
and then i loose like 400-500 points.
When we want to throw my armie an anvil of doom i think can be contered. your opinion?



@2dipiche
I know this sort of list that u posted.
I want to test this list. i could also be quite good.

But I think its not that hard to conter for the opponent when he knows this list and is a good player.
i think it could has problems against mass armies, armies with strong CC


@Buchi, all team members
What do you think on booth posted lists?


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David
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Re: Dwarves

Post  Buchi on Mon 20 Jun - 12:39

I have to say - both are quite interesting concepts and both should go well.

The list proposed by Alan, is working quite nicely, as long as the Anvil works and is not destroyed by malfunctioning or other things and forces the opponent to be very careful with the double threat by Miners and Rangers.
Personally I would tweak Alans list so that the Rangers are Longbeard Rangers and get rid of some quarellers - the move or shoot rule is very annoying for them. Also the Runelord is generating 5 Dispel dice total - so one is discarded automatically.
Generally speaking the list has the problem that this kind of list can be contered by certain builds that will quickly go for the Runelord (DE Pegasus with Dragonegg for example) and warmachines and try to catch either the Miners or the Rangers whilest feeding the others with redirectors. Such builds will protect the rear and flanks from the miners by long Congaline formations preventing the miners from entering where they would be most useful. The other problem this list might get into is a malfunction of the Anvil - double 1 and you lose 20-0
Even with a normal malfunction in an important round the game might be lost already, even though on a much smaller margin. Hence I find this one more risky

The list proposed by David has much less potential to win high, but is rock solid and will very rarely lose by more than 2 points and will more likely win by 1 to 3 points. It has one big problem though - magic. Spells that may take out whole units or target every modell in a unit are a very serious threat to the list.
By the way - as a dwarf you may have 4 dispel dice. Thus with only a Runenschmied you may have 3 scrolls.
For the 70 needed points I would get rid of the Strenght +1 rune on the BSB and the max strenght5 hits vs King and giving him a stone rune for a 1+ Armor save. then take out 1 Dwarf and you should be fine.

Personally I have experimented with a list with Anvil and king.
The artillery is placed on the corner of a table going along the longe edge ending with the Anvil. Directly in front the 20 ClanWarriors as a Congaline but with a slight angle to your table edge so that nothing can attack the warmachines or the Anvil without going through them and against the fast and flying stuff they will be steadfast "forever".
The blocks just secure the area in front of these. The anvil will then slow down the movement to get out even more shooting. The list also has Grungnis rune for the 5+ward save in 12 inches.

2 Kommandanten: 589 Pkt. 24.5%
1 Held: 160 Pkt. 6.6%
2 Kerneinheiten: 625 Pkt. 26.0%
4 Eliteeinheiten: 905 Pkt. 37.7%
1 Seltene Einheit: 120 Pkt. 5.0%

*************** 2 Kommandanten ***************
Runenmeister, Schild, Runenamboss
+ 2 x Magiebannende Rune -> 50 Pkt.
- - - > 368 Punkte

König, General, Zweihandwaffe, Schildträger
+ 1 x Panzerrune, 1 x Rune der Unverwundbarkeit, 1 x Steinrune -> 45 Pkt.
- - - > 221 Punkte

*************** 1 Held ***************
Thain
+ 1 x Feuerrune, 1 x Gromril-Meisterrune, 1 x Panzerrune, 1 x Rune der Unverwundbarkeit -> 70 Pkt.
+ Armeestandartenträger -> 25 Pkt.
- - - > 160 Punkte

*************** 2 Kerneinheiten ***************
30 Langbärte, Schilde, Musiker, Standartenträger, Champion
+ 1 x Kampfrune, 1 x Entschlossenheitsrune -> 45 Pkt.
- - - > 430 Punkte

20 Klankrieger, Schilde, Musiker, Standartenträger
- - - > 195 Punkte

*************** 4 Eliteeinheiten ***************
Kanone, Maschinist
+ 1 x Schmiederune, 1 x Brandrune -> 40 Pkt.
- - - > 145 Punkte

Grollschleuder, Maschinist
+ 1 x Genauigkeitsrune, 1 x Durchschlagsrune, 1 x Brandrune -> 55 Pkt.
- - - > 150 Punkte

Grollschleuder, Maschinist
+ 1 x Genauigkeitsrune, 2 x Durchschlagsrune -> 75 Pkt.
- - - > 170 Punkte

30 Hammerträger, Musiker, Standartenträger, Champion
+ 1 x Grungnis Meisterrune -> 50 Pkt.
- - - > 440 Punkte

*************** 1 Seltene Einheit ***************
Orgelkanone
- - - > 120 Punkte


Gesamtpunkte Zwerge : 2399

I could not say which list would work best. It all depends on the opponent and how his magic works and with the anvils if they will hold or blow up themselves Smile

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Post  2dipicche on Wed 22 Jun - 20:53

you know the army and the ETC better than me. i ask you to draw your matches.

what do you prefere to play? for me it's ok. i'll trust you, just show the list in some days Very Happy



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Post  David "Phar" Schreyer on Wed 13 Jul - 6:57

My Dwarfes Roster

Can anybody translate it in english with armybuilder?

1 Kommandant: 291 Pkt. 12.1%
2 Helden: 306 Pkt. 12.7%
2 Kerneinheiten: 806 Pkt. 33.5%
5 Eliteeinheiten: 994 Pkt. 41.4%
0 Seltene Einheit

*************** 1 Kommandant ***************
King 145 Punkte, General, Great Weapon 6 Pkt., Schildträger 25 Pkt.
+ 1 x Meisterrune des Stahls (only Strengt 5 against him) 50 Pkt., 1 x Panzerrune (reroll Armour save) 25 Pkt., 1 x Rune der Unverwundbarkeit (immun to Killing blow and Poison) 15 Pkt., 1 x Master Rune of Challange 25 Pkt. -> 115 Pkt.
- - - > 291 Punkte

*************** 2 Helden ***************
Runereader 70 Punkte, Great Waepon 4 Pkt., Schield 2 Pkt.
+ 3 x Rune of Spellbreaking 75 Pkt. -> 75 Pkt.
- - - > 151 Punkte

Thane 65 Punkte
+ 1 x Schmetterrune (+1 Strength) 20 Pkt., 1 x Feuerrune (Fire attacks) 5 Pkt., 1 x Gromril-Meisterrune )1+Arnour Save) 25 Pkt., 1 x Rune der Unverwundbarkeit (immune to Killing Blow and Poison) 15 Pkt. -> 65 Pkt.
+ Battle Standard Bearrer 25 Pkt. -> 25 Pkt.
- - - > 155 Punkte

*************** 2 Kerneinheiten ***************
34 Clan Warriors 272 Pkt., Great Waepons 68 Pkt., Musician 5 Pkt., Standard Bearer 10 Pkt., Champion 10 Pkt.
- - - > 365 Punkte

32 Crossbowmen 352 Pkt., Great Waepons 64 Pkt., Musician 5 Pkt., Standard Bearer 10 Pkt., Champion 10 Pkt.
- - - > 441 Punkte

*************** 5 Eliteeinheiten ***************
32 Hammerers 384 Pkt., Musician 6 Pkt., Standard Bearer 12 Pkt., Champion 12 Pkt.
- - - > 414 Punkte

Stone Thrower 80 Punkte, Engineer 15 Pkt.
+ 1 x Genauigkeitsrune (Reroll direction Dice) 25 Pkt., 1 x Durchschlagsrune (+1Strength) 25 Pkt., 1 x Brandrune (fire attacks) 5 Pkt. -> 55 Pkt.
- - - > 150 Punkte

Stone Thrower 80 Punkte, Engineer 15 Pkt.
+ 1 x Genauigkeitsrune (Reroll direction Dice) 25 Pkt., 1 x Durchschlagsrune (+1Strength) 25 Pkt. -> 50 Pkt.
- - - > 145 Punkte

Canon 90 Punkte, Engineer 15 Pkt.
+ 1 x Schmiederune (reroll artillery dice) 35 Pkt., 1 x Brandrune (fire attacks) 5 Pkt. -> 40 Pkt.
- - - > 145 Punkte

Canon 90 Punkte, Engineer 15 Pkt.
+ 1 x Schmiederune (reroll artillery dice) 35 Pkt. -> 35 Pkt.
- - - > 140 Punkte


Gesamtpunkte Zwerge : 2397
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Post  Buchi on Wed 13 Jul - 9:40

1 Lord: 291 Pts. 12.1%
2 Heroes: 306 Pts. 12.7%
2 Core Units: 806 Pts. 33.5%
5 Special Units: 994 Pts. 41.4%
0 Rare Units
*************** 1 Lord ***************
Dwarf Lord 145 Pts., General, Great Weapon 6 Pts., Shield Bearers 25 Pts.
+ 1 x Masterrune of Steel 50 Pts., 1 x Rune of Resistance 25 Pts., 1 x Rune of Preservation 15 Pts., 1 x Master Rune of Challenge 25 Pts. -> 115 Pts.
- - - > 291 Pts.

*************** 2 Heroes ***************
Runereader 70 Pts., Great Weapon 4 Pts., Shield 2 Pts.
+ 3 x Rune of Spellbreaking 75 Pts. -> 75 Pts.
- - - > 151 Pts.

Thane 65 Pts.
+ 1 x Rune of Cleaving 20 Pts., 1 x Rune of Fire 5 Pts., 1 x Masterrune of Gromril 25 Pts., 1 x 1 x Rune of Preservation 15 Pts. -> 65 Pts.
+ Battle Standard Bearer 25 Pts. -> 25 Pts.
- - - > 155 Pts.

*************** 2 Core Units ***************
34 Dwarf Warriors 272 Pts., Great Weapons 68 Pts., Musician 5 Pts., Standard Bearer 10 Pts., Champion 10 Pts.
- - - > 365 Pts.

32 Quarellers 352 Pts., Great Weapons 64 Pts., Musician 5 Pts., Standard Bearer 10 Pts., Champion 10 Pts.
- - - > 441 Pts.

*************** 5 Special Units ***************
32 Hammerers 384 Pts., Musician 6 Pts., Standard Bearer 12 Pts., Champion 12 Pts.
- - - > 414 Pts.

Grudge Thrower 80 Pts., Engineer 15 Pts.
+ 1 x Rune of Accuracy 25 Pts., 1 x Rune of Penetrating 25 Pts., 1 x Rune of Burning 5 Pts. -> 55 Pts.
- - - > 150 Pts.

Grudge Thrower 80 Pts., Engineer 15 Pts.
+ 1 x Rune of Accuracy 25 Pts., 1 x Rune of Penetrating 25 Pts. -> 50 Pts.
- - - > 145 Pts.

Cannon 90 Pts., Engineer 15 Pts.
+ 1 x Rune of Forging 35 Pts., 1 x Rune of Burning 5 Pts. -> 40 Pts.
- - - > 145 Pts.

Cannon 90 Pts., Engineer 15 Pts.
+ 1 x Rune of Forging 35 Pts. -> 35 Pts.
- - - > 140 Pts.

Total Pts. Dwarfs : 2397

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Post  Pulps on Wed 13 Jul - 11:19

OK ty Phar and Buchi.


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Post  Pulps on Thu 14 Jul - 14:28

Final List.

David Schreyer - 2400 Pts - Dwarfs Army

1 Dwarf Lord @ 291.0 Pts
General; Shieldbearers; Great Weapon; Gromril Armour
#Shield Bearer [0.0]
Runic Talisman [25.0]
Master Rune of Challenge
Runic Armour [90.0]
Master Rune of Steel
Rune of Preservation
Rune of Resistance
1 2 Shield Bearers @ [0.0] Pts

1 * Runesmith @ 151.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Gromril Armour; Shield
Runic Talisman [75.0]
Rune of Spellbreaking (x3)

1 Thane @ 155.0 Pts
Gromril Armour; Battle Standard
Runic Weapon [25.0]
Rune of Cleaving
Rune of Fire
Runic Armour [40.0]
Master Rune of Gromril
Rune of Preservation

33 Warriors @ 365.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Heavy Armour; Standard; Musician
1 Veteran @ [10.0] Pts

31 Quarrellers @ 441.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Crossbow; Light Armour; Standard; Musician
1 Veteran @ [10.0] Pts

31 Hammerers @ 414.0 Pts
Great Weapon; Heavy Armour; Standard; Musician
1 Gate Keeper @ [12.0] Pts

1 Grudge Thrower @ 145.0 Pts
Engineer
Engineering Runes [50.0]
Rune of Accuracy
Rune of Penetrating
1 Engineer @ [15.0] Pts
Light Armour
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts
Light Armour

1 Grudge Thrower @ 150.0 Pts
Engineer
Engineering Runes [55.0]
Rune of Accuracy
Rune of Burning
Rune of Penetrating
1 Engineer @ [15.0] Pts
Light Armour
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts
Light Armour

1 Cannon @ 145.0 Pts
Engineer
Engineering Runes [40.0]
Rune of Burning
Rune of Forging
1 Engineer @ [15.0] Pts
Light Armour
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts
Light Armour

1 Cannon @ 140.0 Pts
Engineer
Engineering Runes [35.0]
Rune of Forging
1 Engineer @ [15.0] Pts
Light Armour
3 Crew @ [0.0] Pts
Light Armour



Additional Dispel Dice: 1

Additional Casting Dice: 0

Models in Army: 122


Total Army Cost: 2397.0

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